A section of a rather long interview by William Dembski, a Founding and Senior Fellow with Discovery Institute’s Center for Science and Culture and a Distinguished Fellow with the Institute’s Walter Bradley Center for Natural and Artificial Intelligence.
Bill: When did you first become skeptical of neo-Darwinism? Was there a particular book, calculation, empirical result, or conversation that made you think the standard account might be mathematically inadequate? Was there a point in life when you were perfectly content to accept whatever the reigning theory of evolution happened to be?
Vox: After reading all of Richard Dawkins’s books as part of my preparation for writing The Irrational Atheist in 2008. I could not believe how stupid and incompetent the man is. He’s a wonderful writer, which is the reason no one ever notices what a vapid cretin he is or that most of his arguments aren’t even coherent. Then, after reading all of Daniel Dennett’s work, I realized that the evolutionists have no idea what they’re even trying to prove or how to prove it. I summed up the entirety of the evolutionist case thanks to Dennett’s core argument: “you can believe biologists because physicists get very accurate results.” All that evolutionary biology has ever amounted to is butterfly collectors telling fairy stories under the guise of stolen scientific valor.
Bill: What were the strongest arguments in favor of evolution that you encountered before offering your own critique of it? I’ve been able to trace blog posts by you critical of neo-Darwinism on Vox Popoli to 2012. Was this when you first officially weighed in on evolutionary theory?
Vox: I never really thought about it much outside of the usual high school biology class. I was offered the opportunity to debate evolution and “be taught about it” by a science teacher who was also an evolution blogger. They love to offer to teach you. And when it became clear that he didn’t understand why “what is the average rate of evolution by natural selection” was not only a relevant question, but an absolutely necessary one, I began to notice that evolutionists are hopelessly innumerate. I mean, sure, it’s a difficult question, but by definition, there is absolutely an answer. I’ve since learned that evolutionists don’t understand the concept of an “average rate.” In fact, some of them with PhDs don’t even understand the concept of “average.” I’m not kidding.
Bill: Did your skepticism begin with natural selection, with universal common descent, with the neutral theory of molecular evolution, with philosophical naturalism more generally, or some combination of these, or none of the above? How did those concerns become connected in your thinking?
Vox: Pure natural selection. I’m not even sure what “common descent” means. I don’t think you would believe how little this stuff interests me, how unfamiliar I am with the normal buzzwords, or how obviously irrelevant the entire traditional evolutionary debate is.
Bill: Which evolutionary theorists do you regard as the strongest or most intellectually serious opponents of your position? Which do you think are fakers or poseurs?
Vox: JBS Haldane was a serious guy. EO Wilson was smart, but got too caught up in the weeds. R.A. Fisher had the right ideas, more or less, but he focused on mutations instead of fixations and set the entire field off on the wrong direction for a century as a result. Kimura was onto something, but he didn’t have the courage of his own mathematics. Ernst Mayr was a faker and a poser. Dawkins is just an innumerate moron; he genuinely believes his own nonsense. But I tend to enjoy his books; he could have been a great science fiction writer.
Bill: Is there any major aspect of contemporary evolutionary theory that you came to appreciate and embrace more fully while writing your two recent books on the topic?
Vox: I very much respect the work that the genetic scientists are doing on the various genomes. I suspect they know perfectly well what the implications and inevitable consequences of their work are, but they keep their mouths very carefully shut in order to avoid upsetting the academic apple cart.
Bill: You often use neo-Darwinism as the principal name for the theory you oppose. What exactly do you include under that term: random mutation and natural selection, the broader modern synthesis, neutral and nearly neutral evolution, or every naturalistic account of evolutionary change?
Vox: I use the term correctly. Most evolutionists don’t. Darwinism is natural selection. The Modern Synthesis is Darwinism + Mendelian genetics as per Mayr et al. Neutral and Nearly Neutral Theory are not compatible at all with Neo-Darwinism, were developed more than a decade after the Modern Synthesis, and I describe the attempt to put it all in one big Darwinian box as the Postmodern Poly-thesis. Creationists have already defeated Neo-Darwinism, which is why evolutionists immediately retreat to Kimura and various forms of neutral substitution now. Natural selection proper is dead and they know it. Even Dawkins talks about Evolution by (probably) Natural Selection now.
Bill: Which of those claims does MITTENS directly address, and which require additional arguments?
Vox: All of them. Probability Zero covers about nine stages of the evolutionist retreat from Moscow to Paris. So far, they’re just starting to touch upon stage three. The only thing that requires more work is refining the actual numbers more precisely, because the original reporting by Barrick in 2009 was sloppy and inconsistent and the later work by Goode in 2017 wasn’t quite there yet. I’ve broken their collective data down in detail in the MITTENS 3.0 paper and the detailed results are much more clear than in their papers.
Read the whole thing there. As a bonus, he also posted Chapter Six of Probability Zero, the chapter devoted to the 1966 Wistar Symposium that was so catastrophic for the biologists, at the end of the interview. If you haven’t read it yet, you really should.